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Dear Lily,

The calculation of the Hourly branch i.e. the first part is taken from zi (rat) but the Heavenly stem requires one to look at the Day pillar together with zi (rat) to find out the Heavenly stem of the hour. Therefore if one looks at it zi (rat) whether it is zi-early rat or zi-late rat does not matter. What is more important is to get the Day correct.

Essentially, if one understand how Pillar works, the hour pillar is not that necessary
as not all analysis refer to the hour pillar. However, with the hour of birth one can get more accuracy i.e. more elements to analyse especially for house of life. House of conception does not need the Hour pillars.

Robert who is an expert in Pillars of Destiny knows almost every School under this field and has adopted the best practises and discarded `long-winded' and sometimes `non logic' steps in such a process.

As he had mentioned earlier for example, the Hour stem is based on 12 hours and 11.pm to 12.59pm is = zi (rat). He does not believe in complicating the process by dividing zi into `earlier & later' zi because one can know whether it is before or after 12.00. This is only for referencing but in terms of practical calculations, `earlier and later' zi is always = zi.

The reason why some Hong Kong Practioners want to use the above method is because for Chinese, most of them refer to the Chinese dates as the Heavenly stem and Earthly combination such as e.g. jia-zi Year and Hourly branch for e.g. yi-zi. To make it easier for them to tell at a glance, they may call it yi-early zi or yi-later zi. By doing so, the can glance yi-later zi as 11pm onwards. If it is yi-early zi, it refers to early morning 12 to 1am. This is all it is used.

As we are using Solar dates as the main source of conversion, this is no longer necessary. Hsia has a major flaw in that is unable to tell a `blind' year. While Solar method uses the best of both as it is cross referenced to the seasons under Hsia.

There are lots more `illogical' practises which are found in some other calculations.

It is always good to adopt the best practises and discard practises that may not be necessary.

Warmest Regards,
Cecil


On 9/18/99 1:28:15 PM, Lily L wrote:
>Dear Robert,
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>I have the same problem. Per
>what you said, the earthly
>branch for hour pillar would
>always be zi(rat), but what
>about the heavenly stem.
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>On 9/18/99 11:58:34 AM, Robert Lee
>wrote:
>>Dear Desmond,
>>
>>Please read below:-
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>>You see the Traditional
>>Chinese time is divided int 12
>>units as 12 as follows:-
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>>1 am - 2.59 am : chou
>>3 am - 4.59 am : yin
>>5 am - 6.59 am : mao
>>7 am - 8.59 am : chen
>>9 am - 10.59 am : si
>>11 am - 12.59 pm : wu
>>1 pm - 2.59 pm : wei
>>3 pm - 4.59 pm : shen
>>5 pm - 6.59 pm : you
>>7 pm - 8.59 pm : shu
>>9 pm - 10.59 pm : hai
>>11 pm - 12.59 am : zi
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>>Modified version of the
>>Traditional Time:-
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>>1 am - 2.59 am : chou
>>3 am - 4.59 am : yin
>>5 am - 6.59 am : mao
>>7 am - 8.59 am : chen
>>9 am - 10.59 am : si
>>11 am - 12.59 pm : wu
>>1 pm - 2.59 pm : wei
>>3 pm - 4.59 pm : shen
>>5 pm - 6.59 pm : you
>>7 pm - 8.59 pm : shu
>>9 pm - 10.59 pm : hai
>>11 pm - 11.59 am : late zi
>>12 am - 12.59 am : early zi
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>>(Basically not necessary)
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>>11 pm to 12.59 am is already
>>representing the following
>>times:-
>>5 Feb 11 pm to 5 Feb 11.59 pm
>>6 Feb 12 am to 6 Feb 12.59 am
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>>Basically, the timings are
>>there so that we can convert
>>the time into chinese time
>>represented by Zi, Chou, Yin,
>>etc.
>>
>>Which is actually to make it
>>simple Zi hour. That is all.
>>
>>This means that for the
>>Chinese hour of 11 pm - 12.59
>>am, it will represent the
>>dates who are born in 5 Feb 11
>>pm to 6 Feb 12.59 am, 4 Feb 11
>>pm to 5 Feb 12.59 am, or even
>>6 Feb 11 pm to 7 Feb 12.59 am.
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>>There is no need to modify any
>>timing. As your Solar date
>>would have converted it 6 Feb
>>12.59 am. Thus, your solar day
>>is 6th day and not 5th day.
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>>If you friend was born in 5
>>Feb 12:05 am, then he is
>>considered 5 Feb Zi hour
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>>Since is is born in 6 Feb
>>12:05 am, then he is
>>considered 6 Feb Zi hour.
>>
>>So that is why I do not see
>>the explicit need for the
>>modified dates or to worry
>>about this, as your Solar
>>dates have converted to the 6
>>day already.
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>>That, is why so long as you
>>enter your Solar date, the
>>conversion will convert you to
>>the proper representation of
>>the Chinese Lunar date.
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>>I think you are confusing
>>yourself unnecessarily, since
>>he is born on 6 Mar 00:05:-
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>>Just choose 6 as the day, Mar
>>as the month, the year he is
>>born, and the timing 11 pm to
>>12.59 pm since it is 12:05 pm
>>(00:05 pm).
>>
>>The Solar date will have
>>already treat it as 6 Mar and
>>not 5 Mar.
>>
>>Do not need to make any
>>unnecessary modification to
>>the Solar date, as it will be
>>converted into the Chinese
>>date according to your Solar
>>Date.
>>
>>Hope that clears your doubt.
>>
>>Warmest Regards
>>Robert Lee
>>
>>On 9/17/99 3:09:24 PM, Desmond Tan
>>wrote:
>>>Thank you for your prompt
>>>reply.
>>>
>>>I think that the time of birth
>>>is quite critical.
>>>
>>>Using similar details as
>>>above, if I ignore the time of
>>>birth and consider my friend's
>>>birth date to be 6 Feb, his
>>>main element is water
>>>(according to your system),
>>>whereas if I use 5 Feb, his
>>>main element is metal.
>>>
>>>I just want to be accurate
>>>before I utilise the credit
>>>for the report management
>>>system.
>>>
>>>Therefore, I would consider my
>>>friend's birth date: 6 Feb,
>>>00:05 hours (5 minutes after
>>>midnight) to be within the
>>>span of 5 Feb, 11 pm - 12.59
>>>am.
>>>
>>>Would appreciate your
>>>comments.
>>>
>>>Thank you/best regards...
>>>Desmond
>>>
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